Im just saying that at the juncture were in and being a son of the soil of Chicago and a son of Salem, and now having pastored Progressive, I just think I have a unique understanding and relational dynamic with both churches. While I do not know much about Charlie Dates, it has becoming increasingly true that the higher you rise the harder you fall.. However, you may visit "Cookie Settings" to provide a controlled consent. (I cant imagine having NEVER met your pastor one-on-one). We use cookies on our website to give you the most relevant experience by remembering your preferences and repeat visits. 2023 ChurchLeaders.com, All rights reserved. I cant speak for them. I also want to suggest that Chicago, and America, needs churches that are developing and reproducing young pastors, that we become more intentional about it. This website uses cookies to improve your experience while you navigate through the website. In accepting the role, Dates said he sees Salem Baptist Church of Chicago as a global church. It actually makes me think of Moses, who was advised on how to make leading the growing number of Israelites more manageable by placing them into groups and delegating. I think that there is a place in the body of Christ for large and small churches alike; I have been a member of both at various points in my walk with Christ, and can speak to the benefits and challenges of both. But there are others who sit close to power within the SBC and who are silent against the racism that plagues their own congregations. Last month, in a joint statement and individual remarks, the six presidents of SBC seminaries called critical race theory unbiblical and instead emphasized the need to turn to Christian teachings alone, not secular ideas, to confront racism. Wests The Church Without Walls (originally Brookhollow Baptist Church) has ranked among the 100 biggest in the country and averages 9,000 people in weekly attendance, according to its site. On March 27-28, Dates will give a sermon and lecture at Samford University for the Department of Biblical and Religious Studies annual Dotson M. Nelson Lecture. I would rather not compare them, only because I wouldnt want to say the wrong thing and have someone read it and judge my intent. Analytical cookies are used to understand how visitors interact with the website. Subscribe to CT for less than $4.25/month. Sure, there were more battles to be won before legitimate change would warm the hearts of African American churches like ours, but thats why our movement felt almost prophetic. Adoring sounds like its crossed the line into idolatrysomething a lot of these guys at bare minimum do nothing to discourage, and a few outright seek. For questions or to reach his office, please email booking@progressivechicago.org. The cookies is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Necessary". This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. Dr. Charlie Edward Dates is Senior Pastor at Progressive Baptist Church in Chicago, IL. Brian That somehow God grants the capacity and that God grants the resources and support. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. Services Progressive Baptist Church SUNDAYS AT PROGRESSIVE We'd love for you to join us at our Sunday Services! Were living in a time where so many young people are walking away from the church and where church attendance numbers are in the dumps. Christian Rocker Posts Stunning Response to Recent Apostasy of Christian Leaders, Chicago Radio Host & a Former Bodyguard Say James MacDonald Asked Them to Arrange Murders, James MacDonald Took Millions from Harvest & Now Demands Broadcast Ministry, Mancow Airs Shocking Comments By James MacDonald: My Response. Ive seen healthy and unhealthy churches of all sizes. As one Conservative Baptist Network member said, they must constantly repent but can never actually be forgiven., A group of Southern Baptist pastors released a statement Friday voicing their opposition to any movement in the SBC that seeks to distract from racial reconciliation through the gospel and that denies the reality of systemic injustices.. James Meeks announced Sunday that Pastor Charlie Dates of Progressive Baptist Church in Chicago will succeed him as leader of the 10,000-member Salem Baptist Church of Chicago when he steps out of the role in January 2023. It is the work of that church, but its also Reverend Meeks, the pastor of that church. Let us know how we can pray for you and your family. Charlie Dates of the Progressive Baptist Church in Chicago, one of the pastors who have already severed ties, said the November statement was "the last straw." "When did the theological architects of American slavery develop the moral character to tell the church how it should discuss and discern racism?" Dateswho spoke at several national SBC events before and after deciding to affiliate with the denominationwrote that the statement was a final straw.. And God has blessed us with our own son as the churchs next pastor. Rev. Help keep The Christian Post free for everyone by making a one-time donation today. The only outcome can be from their life experience, which really ignores the broader family of Southern Baptists.. The beauty of this narrative is that the Lord, in his kindness and his grace, has taken pastors and churches to develop me. Feel free to watch our services online! But there is nothing wrong with loving those who I do have personal relationships with, and have really left an impact on my faith, family, and heart.. They are ready to send their young students to the very seminaries that are both vestiges of racial animus and also the places where these harmful attitudes are perpetuated. I ADORE Charlie Dates. But what a blessing to the members of both congregations. Charlie Dates Current Workplace. I dont come out of thin air to either church; you can trace my lineage. Speaking with CT, Dates drew parallels to Paul and Timothy, referencing Pauls instructions to the younger leader based on what he had witnessed firsthand in ministry. They both, in that regard, have a history of absolutely incredible pastors. But there is nothing wrong with loving those who I do have personal relationships with, and have really left an impact on my faith, family, and heart. RELATED: Southern Baptist seminary presidents nix critical race theory. Not able to make? Progressive Service Time 9:30am 3658 S Wentworth Ave, Chicago Coming Up. A graduate of Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary and adjunct at Baylor Universitys Truett Theological Seminary, West said he planned to withdraw from his current doctoral studies at Southwestern and will not associate with the SBC any longer. (RNS) In 2018, something happened at the MLK50 Conference in Memphis, an event co-hosted by the Southern Baptist Conventions policy arm and The Gospel Coalition. For questions or to reach his office, please email booking@progressivechicago.org. If thats idolatry to youwe can disagree. Its one thing to adore someone you dont have any personal relationship with. James Meeks faltered for just a moment at the end. Cancel culture is wrong but shouldnt we have heard something about it at least? "It's time for Salem to move forward. But the bones are good. "Charlie is called, and I believe all ministry starts with a calling," Meeks said. The SBCs power structure wants to maintain white dominance. Ill be here every Sunday and through the week as I normally am, Dates said. I respect the importance of Christian denominations, the accountability and resources they provide for the larger body. Out of these, the cookies that are categorized as necessary are stored on your browser as they are essential for the working of basic functionalities of the website. I dont know anything about Pastor Dates using a slur I havent heard anything about it, nor do I know anything about the context, response, or outcomes. I am more of a vision-casting, preaching, pastoral care pastor. Its time for Salem to move forward, he told his congregants. What I do sense is that theres still work to be done and vision to accomplish at Progressive at the same time that I begin my assignment at Salem. Calling him "the greatest young preacher in our nation today," Rev. September 3, 2021 at 1:54 p.m. EDT. Charlie Edward Dates became the youngest Senior Pastor in Progressive's rich 95-year history. Pretty sure there were no consequences whatsoever for him over it. And I think we can develop a platform, a pipeline to invite those who feel that burden of call to grow them and to release them to do that," he added. Theres just no way you can pastor a church that big being involved in all of the details, right? Would a right-wing famous pastor like Voddie Baucham or Rob Jeffress be able to get away with using racial slurs??? Are there things at Progressive you will have to step away from? Dates holds a Bachelor's Degree in Speech Communication & Rhetoric from the University of Illinois - Champaign, Urbana, where he met his wife, Kirstie, who not only changed his life, but also elevated his approach to living. Now we have 2 churches thinking only one particular man can lead them. Hmm. The cookie is set by the GDPR Cookie Consent plugin and is used to store whether or not user has consented to the use of cookies. Charlie Dates is set to succeed Rev. From 2016 to 2019, too, I preached on the campuses of four of the SBC seminaries and had been invited to another. How do Salem Baptist and Progressive Baptist compare, and what makes you a fit for both congregations at this moment? Meeks called Dates the greatest preacher in our nation. If Charlie Dates indeed used a racial slur (just last year), that does call into fitness his ability to do any of the above. Who will pay for the SBCs abuse reforms over the long term? Last month, Dates joined the Stetzer ChurchLeaders Podcast to talk about the need for solid Christian preaching during tough times. They are happy to have a Black chapel speaker, the occasional conservative Black professor whose classes are not taken seriously or a Black employee who never bucks against their notions of superiority. . 99% of these megachurch icons and celebrities were nowhere near as righteous as Smith to start with, and only continue to deteriorate from that starting point, with time and fame. Sign up for our newsletter: So it is Biblical for a leader to have a large flock. You know, at one point, Progressive had the strongest and largest Christian discipleship ministry in the city. I recognize this moment is big, and its watershed, but it is not about me. Charlie has also led Progressive in being a very put faith into action church here in the Chicago Black community. Meeks, a former state senator, founded Salem Baptist 38 years ago. As I prayed about it, I got no inkling that it was time, just yet, to walk away from Progressive. You also have the option to opt-out of these cookies. His wife Kirstie also followed up to pray with me and further encourage me. He and his wife, Kirstie, have two children. Salem has not lost its relevance, Salem has not lost its edge, while maintaining a very high view of Scripture and its very Christo-centric approach to ministry. Theres something about the formation of my mind and my theological heart that is directly shaped by and impacted by watching all of that, and working in all of that, as I came of age, he said. I cant speak much about Salem Baptist Church (other than its known in the Black community here in Chicago due to its sheer size), but I do know Progressive. Photo courtesy of Charlie Dates. Charlie Dates is the senior pastor of Progressive Baptist Church in Chicago. His decision came two days after West made a similar argument in a Baptist Standard op-ed. Every church that lives in the past is already anchoring itself in the graveyard of history. Dates new role will mean others will take on some of what Dates does now at Progressive, he said. Subscribe to CT for less than $4.25/month. No matter what age, PBC Kids offers fun, age-appropriate programming that help your children connect with God. I also understand how a personal relationship strengthens that love; that is the importance of us having relationships in the body of Christ. Chicago Pastor James Meeks to Retire, Pass Baton to Rev. I dont see anything wrong with loving those who Christ calls us to love, which includes our brothers and sisters in Christ (that includes pastors). What I will say is that Progressive and Salem demonstrate the spectrum of Black churches in Chicago. Now we have 2 churches thinking only one particular man can lead them. Progressive Baptist Church. Since then, conservative groups have been more vocal about what they see as an embrace of critical race theory and secular thinking by seminaries and denominational leaders, with the newly formed Conservative Baptist Network being among the most vocal opponents. He is a contributing author to Letters To A Birmingham Jail and Say It: Celebrating Expository Preaching in the African American Tradition, and is currently working on his first single-authored book on Christianity and Social Justice. . We haveI thinka very Paul and Timothy kind of relationship. I like my pastor; I dont love him. Respect and admire if they are capable, yes. In 2020, Dates, married with two children, was among a number of black Christian church leaders to cut ties with the Southern Baptist Convention over a statement from the denomination's Council of Seminary Presidents denouncing racism and critical race theory. I think the distinction is that I can serve Salem well by loving her through the preaching ministry and pastoral care, and she will follow. Dates called him an Uncle Ruckus on twitter, which is a derogatory slur used to describe a black man that embraces the whiteness of society instead of resisting it. "We believe now that the time has come for us to step aside, for us to yield to new younger leadership," Meeks said. Walk-ins are welcome but appointments are preferred. When I came to Progressive, it took me a while to actually get my feet under me because of some of the history and nature of the church, and it required a lot of patience and long-suffering initially. Dr. Charlie Dates . The cookie is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Other. Meeks recalls meeting Dates when Dates was in the 5th grade. These have been disciple-making churches with an emphasis on Christian education. Photo courtesy of Progressive Baptist Church I respect the importance of Christian denominations, the. The recent departures caught the attention of Southern Baptist leaders who were disappointed to see them go, particularly fellow African Americans. Vance Pitman resigned in December from Hope Church in Las Vegas to lead the SBCs national church-planting organization. We want to see our church grow. He announced in June that he will give his last sermon on January 8, 2023. Im here to speak the truth in love to you to keep you from going down a path that may seem comforting to you now, but it will ensnare you.. Dates added that the transition will start in January 2023. Could you describe your relationship with Meeks? He announced Sunday hell preach his last sermon to the 10,000-member church on January 8, 2023. Thats their choice. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive a copy of "Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse" by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. Return to homepage. He has a bachelor of arts degree in speech communication and rhetoric from the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign; a master of divinity degree and a Ph.D. from Trinity Evangelical Divinity School in Deerfield, Illinois. How has he influenced you? It's time for Salem to have younger leadership. Your tax-deductible gift helps our journalists report the truth and hold Christian leaders and organizations accountable. James Meeks, founder and longtime senior pastor of Salem Baptist Church on the citys far South Side. On Dec. 1, all six of the SBC seminary presidents without one Black president or counter opinion among them told the world that a high view of Scripture necessarily required a corresponding and total rejection of critical race theory and intersectionality. Ill tell you: abolition, the womens suffrage movement, the civil rights movement, a Black U.S. president who was initially against partial-birth abortion, non-white male faculty at their seminaries and now a theory that uncovers our nations de jure and de facto segregation. We need new ideas. Its the same approach that created President Donald Trump, that makes sure that no Republican leader will challenge him publicly. In a video of the announcement, Meeks said after he and his wife fasted and prayed about the succession of the ministry, they felt confident in selecting Dates. Charlie Dates serves as the senior pastor at Progressive Baptist Church and teaches at Moody Bible Institute as an adjunct professor. There is a young man in our midst who is an exceptional preacher, Pastor Meeks told congregants Sunday, calling Charlie Dates both called and qualified., He came out of our church, says Meeks, and its time for young people to step up and be given a chance.. And how have you begun planning to deal with those challenges? Hi. Dates preaches at the 2019 African American Preaching Conference. Progressive Baptist Church of Chicago | Chicago IL Heavily influenced by the teachings of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr, W.E.B. Calling him "the greatest young preacher in our nation today," Rev. To a visitor entering the Northwest Church of Christ in Chicago, Illinois, on a recent Sunday, the assembly might have sounded like, The Rev. 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Pastor Charlie Dates speaks at Progressive Baptist Church in Chicago. Progressive has asked me, when the time comes, to help them to find their next pastor. Dates's 100-year-old congregation only began affiliating with the SBC last year, joining as a dual affiliate with the Progressive National Baptist Convention, a mainline, African American. We are not merging the two churches and Salem is not absorbing Progressive, Dates said. Salem has its own kind of DNA, Progressive her own . And if you have a testimony of the amazing things God is doing in your life through our ministry, please email it to info@progressivechicago.org. Please click here to learn how. This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. When we make one man or woman our everything, bad things are bound to happen. This workshop will cover everything from home buying basics to the most important step, funding and loan process. Rev. Meeks, 65, founded Salem in 1985 and grew it from 200 to 10,000 members. In January 2023, Reverend Dates became the Senior Pastor of the Salem Baptist Church of Chicago. I dont even know what sort of issue Dates had with whoever (again, Im rarely on social media), but even I can spot your bias here. Meeks' retirement comes at a time when many longtime church leaders have been transitioning out of leadership as they contend with dwindling attendance and other ministry upheavals laid bare by the COVID-19 pandemic. It is good that you were ministered to personally by your pastor. Dates explained he saw rejecting CRT as part of a continuing heritage of dangerous conservatism.. Performance cookies are used to understand and analyze the key performance indexes of the website which helps in delivering a better user experience for the visitors. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive a copy of Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. Amen to thateven if the pastor in question is the Godliest guy on the planet to start with, which is seldom if ever the case. I just only pray he does not become spread too thin by leading two large churches. Im not saying that Im perfect, forever, for both churches. The pastor of Progressive at the time, his name was Reverend T. Brown, he was such a dynamic leader in the city that he was able to tell [former Chicago mayor] Richard J. Daley, No. And live to tell about it. Gleannings aggregates what others are reporting. View Charlie Dates' profile on LinkedIn, the world's largest professional community. and Ph.D. at Trinity Evangelical Divinity . Galatians 5: 13-14 | Pastor David Swanson, Pastor Charlie Dates | Progressive Chicago. In his June 19 sermon, he told congregants hes retiring as of January 15, 2023, and the Rev. Atlanta pastor John Onwuchekwa left the SBC over the summer due to concerns over its approach to racial issues. That was the old Southern Baptists, I promised them and others in our church. And while we are kind of watching this great falling away, we dont have to merely watch it. Not because of a sermon I heard from a distance or book that I read. Image courtesy of Baptist Press. I was shocked, but not surprised, when Mohler endorsed President Trump and watched the two men on Reformation Day celebrate each other on Twitter. The backstage conversations at these gatherings promised a new era of advancement on race and theology. While I do not know much about Charlie Dates, it has becoming increasingly true that the higher you rise the harder you fall. How do you use that significance, and history of these two churches in the city, to drive the future? It does not store any personal data. But it would be foolish to assume its humanly possible to do this in and of myself. He served three terms as an Illinois state senator, was chairman of the state board of education, and ran in Chicagos 2011 mayoral race. Necessary cookies are absolutely essential for the website to function properly. The two churches will remain separate, and he plans on preaching two sermons each Sunday. In 2011, he became the youngest senior pastor at Chicagos Progressive Baptist Church. Thats not always the case when you assume a pastorate. Charlie Dates is the Senior Pastor of Progressive Baptist Church in Chicago, IL. And I have loved various pastors like family; some have ministered to my family for DECADES, and have baptized, married, counseled, and even eulogized GENERATIONS of my family. I imagine they provide cover for the SBC leadership to further alienate Black and brown Christians who do not ascribe to their heritage of dangerous conservatism. Meeks, who is now 65 and served three terms as a state senator, told his congregation that he will preach his final sermon on Jan. 8, 2023, just five days before the church's 38th anniversary. The hard reality of the seminary presidents statement is that Black people will never gain full equality in the Southern Baptist Convention. The young pastor said he had to convince his members that joining the denomination for the sake of mission partnerships would be a good move. My relationship with him is dynamic. And Im not sure how bringing up holy men of other faiths comes into it I was at a Christian event seeking Biblically-rooted ministry, and thats what Pastor Dates and his wife provided. In just our brief 15 minute interaction, he really ministered to me as he correctly sensed I was going through a season of loss that was challenging my faith. And Saddleback Church founder Rick Warren is retiring this September. He is married to Kirstie Dates and is the proud father of their children, Charlie Edward Dates II & Claire Dates. Do you have a birthday or anniversary next month? If I can help these churches recognize Gods hand in their past as a kind of indication of God, of what God wants to do in the future, then I think I can hand it off to the next generation in good fashion. The statement on critical race theory and intersectionality has soiled that good faith.. So he is going to pastor two large churches in addition to teaching at several colleges. It's time for us to bring in young people. To choose a successor Meeks says he and his wife, First Lady Jamell Meeks, prayed and fasted. Rev. Also, while there are many people in the comment section who rightfully call him to repent over it, there are plenty of others, including names such as Lecrae and Kyle J Howard, who tweeted their approval of his use of the slur. Meeks and his wife, Jamell, founded the church in 1985. There is a HUGE problem with adoring a pastorany pastor, even a truly great one. He teaches preaching at Wheaton College and serves as an Affiliate Professor of the Baylor University George W. Truett Theological Seminary and as Affiliate Professor of Trinity Evangelical Divinity School. We want to celebrate YOU. They are to us what the Electoral College is to the United States: a body that no longer produces what it originally promised. Also, any comments with profanity, name-calling, and/or a nasty tone will be deleted. 53 min; FEB 8, 2023 "Can't Turn . The church actually changed the face of that community, he says. Around the country, people run into me and tell me, Oh I got baptized at that church, or Oh, I remember Sunday school at that church. Its legend and its lore is huge. The specter of racial animus and theological arrogance was giving way to a new era of Christian leadership, I suggested. We meet every second Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 9:00 am. I had the privilege of not only hearing him preach as a guest speaker at my church, but also meeting him after a singles event hosted by Progressive. Rev. What lessons or advice has he already passed along about leading Salem Baptist? Advertisement cookies are used to provide visitors with relevant ads and marketing campaigns. Perspective by Charlie Dates. Learn more. Everybody loves our old, respected leaders but I want to set an example that its okay to give the next generation an opportunity, Meeks adds. Shouldnt a competent, strong, wise pastor stir and challenge his flock, make their complacency seem uncomfortable? CT interviewed him about the history of the two congregations and his call to lead Salem Baptist. Both of them have produced some stalwart Christian leaders and teachers. I dont know why; perhaps thats an attitude YOU need to pray about. But some have grown frustrated with their position in a denomination that remains largely white (African Americans make up just 6 percent of Southern Baptists, according to Pew Research Center). Raised on the southside of Chicago, he came of age having welcomed Christ into his life early. Charlie has 1 job listed on their profile. This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. And I recognize that. On one hand, the legacy has to continue. SBC events and church planting have grown more diverse over the past decade as leaders made a concerted effort to feature and invest in non-Anglo pastors. My acknowledgement of this is not a statement of submission, but an act of defiance. Pastor Charlie Dates is the Senior Pastor of The Progressive Baptist Church in Chicago, Illinois. Your daily news briefing from the editors of CT: After Chaos and Crisis, Beth Moore Still Finds Refuge in the Church, Christian Conservationists Sue to Protect Ghana Forest, I Was the Proverbial, Drug-Fueled Rock and Roller, Everything Everywhere All at Once and the Beautiful Mystery of Gods Silence. I completely understand your concern, Tricia. That philosophy has weakened whatever prophetic potential the SBC has. "We want to see our church be vibrant. And if you think it feels good, warm and fuzzy to be confronted about your sin when youre in the middle of grief, you are VERY mistaken. Its not making me feel good; warm and fuzzy. None of our denominations, Black or white, are as relevant and biblically prophetic as our present age requires. I see the Pauline example in the Gospel of teachers/leaders being figures that we seek and respect for guidance and direction and boundaries, and not necessarily the same functions that friends and family (in or outside of the church) perform. Charlie Dates has been working as a Youngest Senior Pastor at Progressive Baptist Church for 12 years. In 2011, Reverend Dates became the youngest Senior Pastor to serve the historic Progressive Baptist Church of Chicago, which saw exponential growth under his leadership. James Meeks announced Sunday that Pastor Charlie Dates of Progressive Baptist Church in Chicago will succeed him as leader of the 10,000-member Salem Baptist Church of Chicago when he steps out of the role in January 2023.
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